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		<title>By: zdshelby</title>
		<link>http://zachshelby.org/2009/08/03/news-from-the-75th-ietf/#comment-99</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harry,

Chopan is not within the scope of IETF 6lowpan - which is working on networking related issues. It fits more into the new &lt;a href=&quot;http://6lowapp.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;6lowapp standardization effort&lt;/a&gt; we are starting right now, and the draft was contributed there as well.

True, breaking end-to-end semantics by compressing HTTP at a proxy has some problems. This is one way of trying to solve the problem at hand. The reality is that HTTP/TCP as is won&#039;t do it over 6lowpan and for minimal embedded devices even just from the overhead perspective. This is one of the goals of the 6lowapp effort - to develop a solution for embedded low-power application data transfer. At least there is tons we can learn from REST/URL/Web models when doing that. 

I guess your comment is that we should preserve the end-to-end paradigm as much as possible, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,</p>
<p>Chopan is not within the scope of IETF 6lowpan &#8211; which is working on networking related issues. It fits more into the new <a href="http://6lowapp.net" rel="nofollow">6lowapp standardization effort</a> we are starting right now, and the draft was contributed there as well.</p>
<p>True, breaking end-to-end semantics by compressing HTTP at a proxy has some problems. This is one way of trying to solve the problem at hand. The reality is that HTTP/TCP as is won&#8217;t do it over 6lowpan and for minimal embedded devices even just from the overhead perspective. This is one of the goals of the 6lowapp effort &#8211; to develop a solution for embedded low-power application data transfer. At least there is tons we can learn from REST/URL/Web models when doing that. </p>
<p>I guess your comment is that we should preserve the end-to-end paradigm as much as possible, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://zachshelby.org/2009/08/03/news-from-the-75th-ietf/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Zach, 

how does chopan (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-frank-6lowpan-chopan-00) play into the 6lowpan efforts? It appears that draft was submitted about three weeks prior to the submission of 6lowpan-usecases

I was really surprised to see a proposal to give up the &#039;end-to-end&#039; principle. It&#039;s clear that an intermediary service is needed but isn&#039;t that entirely orthogonal to the network!?

Cheerio, Harry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zach, </p>
<p>how does chopan (<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-frank-6lowpan-chopan-00" rel="nofollow">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-frank-6lowpan-chopan-00</a>) play into the 6lowpan efforts? It appears that draft was submitted about three weeks prior to the submission of 6lowpan-usecases</p>
<p>I was really surprised to see a proposal to give up the &#8216;end-to-end&#8217; principle. It&#8217;s clear that an intermediary service is needed but isn&#8217;t that entirely orthogonal to the network!?</p>
<p>Cheerio, Harry.</p>
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		<title>By: zdshelby</title>
		<link>http://zachshelby.org/2009/08/03/news-from-the-75th-ietf/#comment-84</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Hamid, yep - this new list went on-line last night. You can also find a wiki page here on 6lowapp:

http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/6LowApp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Hamid, yep &#8211; this new list went on-line last night. You can also find a wiki page here on 6lowapp:</p>
<p><a href="http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/6LowApp" rel="nofollow">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/6LowApp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hamid Mukhtar</title>
		<link>http://zachshelby.org/2009/08/03/news-from-the-75th-ietf/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamid Mukhtar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[6LowApp mailing list is as follows:
http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowapp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6LowApp mailing list is as follows:<br />
<a href="http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowapp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowapp</a></p>
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